Sure.
Of course.
Definitely.
That video wasn't even the last straw. It was, like, the straw that comes three straws after the last straw (and I love Dion!).
However, who to install, Iggy or Rae? There's a lot of people it seems calling on the Liberals to dump Dion and install Iggy, but I wonder if they've considered one thing (and perhaps they have!):
Iggy="Bye bye Coalition"
It appears that Rae is fired up and ready to fight, and is about to go coast to coast campaigning hard for the coalition, and the notion that Harper MUST be removed at this point, asap, by the coalition.
From Iggy and his supporters I get a distinct "Maybe this coalition wasn't such a great idea and we should leverage what power we still have vs. the Tories, get what we can out of Prime Minister Harper... and then just move on" vibe.
Both are legitimate positions, but it seems to me they're also diametrically opposed.
So, sure, by all means dump Dion.
FAST.
I don't see how that's remotely avoidable now unless you want to pull a Toronto Maple Leafs and suck for a season in order to totally rebuild in order to start a comeback in 2010. (and I say this as someone who loves Dion!).
However it seems to me that it's not just "Rae or Ignatieff" any more. It's "Rae and the Coalition and making every effort to take out Harper in January" or it's "Iggy and probably not the Coalition, and lets cool our jets and be sensible".
I don't know if this changes who'll win the game, but it does change the game, doesn't it?
Friday, December 05, 2008
Dump Dion?
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Over 70% of Liberals support the concept of a coalition government. Now is definitely not the time to install Iggy. I also don't think the near 60% NDP support for a coalition would hold with either Iggy or Rae as the Interim PM.
I think the LPC should put an interim Leader forward and it should be someone with no Leadership ambitions, perhaps Brison or Goodale. Definitely someone who seems good with handling economic issues.
I tend to agree that an interim leader would probably be best, but that doesn't change the fact that the Liberals seem to be faced with two choices right now. Stick with the Coalition (Rae) or back away from the Coalition (Iggy).
They don't necessarily have to choose between Rae and Iggy before January, but they do need to pick a course of action. And they probably need Rae and Iggy to hammer that out together.
Sure, the Liberals seem to generally support the Coalition now. Will that hold if Rae is running around fighting hard (and loudly) for the Coalition, and Ignatieff is staying quiet (amid no doubt constant leaks that he and his supporters aren't thrilled with the coalition idea, and would rather Rae just STFU)?
Some Liberals need to cowboy (or girl) up and come to some decisions before Christmas, or I fear "Liberal Civil War" will outshine "No One Trusts Harper" in the headline wars of early 2009.
Why are you keen on supporting a UNILINGUAL for Liberal interim leader. You people have been taking the francophone vote for granted too long! Keep up your damn bias! It will serve you well!
signed,
Liberal, maybe ex-Liberal with Goodale as interim
I'll assume that Anon comment was directed at Beijing, not me, since I never mentioned supporting any leader, and never mentioned Goodale.
As for Goodale though, he'd be a fine choice for interim leader, as would Brison, imho.
Any person who would leave their party of choice over who gets chosen to be caretaker of the party for 5 months during a leadership race was never really with the party to begin with.
If Harper resigns then the Coalition has won the battle - but not the war. The War will be one when a new Liberal leader is chosen, sooner rather than later, and my preference would be Ignatieff, and we're sent into an election against a new Conservative leader.
Fresh slates all around. If Iggy becomes interim leader, I don't think the coaliton is dead, but now the coalition has a different mandate - control the PMO and shame Harper into leaving. Force dissent within the CPC and then call an election.
Hi,
Bourque expressed similar sentiments:
http://www.bourque.org/dion.html
Hey,
I wouldn't call my post "similar" to the sentiments of the Bourque post!
Sure, I think the Liberals probably need to get rid of Dion quickly (that whole video thing was horrible on top of everything else) but I'm not an a**hole about it (I don't think).
I disagree with most of the stuff in that Bourque post, but Dion being more of a drag than an asset now is pretty much self evident, imho.
Supporting the coalition as Bob Rae is planning seems pretty risky. There is a good chance that there will be an election if the budget does not pass. Wouldn't this coalition become a pretty heavy load in an election campaingn?
With Bob Rae supporting the coalition and Iggy not, I think that the race is set for the leadership. Rae is flodding a dead horse and unfortunate for him this will be seen as his blunder in the persuit of the Liberal Leadership. A non-contender is the logical choice for the interam leader. Harper has managed to live for another fight.He is cunning enough to go back to Steve in the sweater for when parliament resumes. He will offer enough goodies to make it unpalitable for the liberals to vote non confidance and perhaps offer the minister of finance as his sacrificial lamb
With Bob Rae supporting the coalition and Iggy not, I think that the race is set for the leadership. Rae is flodding a dead horse and unfortunate for him this will be seen as his blunder in the persuit of the Liberal Leadership. A non-contender is the logical choice for the interam leader. Harper has managed to live for another fight.He is cunning enough to go back to Steve in the sweater for when parliament resumes. He will offer enough goodies to make it unpalitable for the liberals to vote non confidance and perhaps offer the minister of finance as his sacrificial lamb
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