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Christian Bale is NOT the best Batman...

So, I saw "The Dark Knight" last night and let me just start off by saying yes, it's really that good.

Ledger's Joker is spectacular (it's a terrible shame we'll never get him as the Joker again, and also that there can't be a Joker in the next two or three Batman movies... 'cause no one should have to follow THAT!). I won't be at all surprised if he gets an Oscar nomination, and I think he'd be a more than deserving winner.

The movie is dark (for a movie rated 14A), both in tone and in visuals (the former more than the later... there's a great hospital scene in broad sunny daylight). There's lots of action and also nuance and subtlety and I think it's the best Batman movie yet (better than Batman Begins, which was really good!). The performances are all good (EXCELLENT in Ledger's case, very good in the case of Bale and the other main leads (what do you expect with Maggie Gyllenhaal, Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine and the excellent Gary Oldman in supporting roles?). I didn't love Aaron Eckhart's performance, but it was fine, and my opinion of it is probably jaded by the phenomenon that was Heath Ledger's Joker. Definitely not to be missed. Go see it in theatres early enough to still be able to see it again if your decide you have to (which you might!).

All that said, I saw at Macleans just now a poll on who was the best Batman. I can't link to it as it was just an embedded poll on the page, but here are the responses.

Who's the best Batman?

Christian Bale 46%
Michael Keaton 30%
Adam West 14%
George Clooney 5%
Val Kilmer 5%

Now, I'm sorry, but no. Michael Keaton is the best Batman.

Period.

Don't get me wrong, Christian Bale is excellent, and I'd even agree perhaps that his two movies are the two best movies of all of them. However, I think the last few pre-"Batman Begins" Batman movies (which were abominations) really soured us all on the franchise, and made us forget how good that original Batman really was. As I said, I might give you that the last two movies are the best two (though I think I'd rank them 1. "The Dark Knight", 2. "Batman", 3. "Batman Begins") but that original Batman was the ORIGINAL, and I don't think you ever get "The Dark Knight" without Keaton and Bassinger and Nicholson setting that bar (nor do your probably get the X-Men films, or a dozen other comic book/ superhero flicks of more recent history).

Michael Keaton was a bit of a surprise casting to be the Dark Knight (Mr. Mom's gonna play BATMAN!?!?) but he was an inspired choice and a truly excellent Batman. Bale's great and all, and the two movies he's been in couldn't have been as great without him (you can't have a great Batman movie if you've got a sucky Batman) but Keaton is the best Batman, and we shouldn't let Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze and Chris O'Donnell in tights wipe from our memories how good the first Batman film was, and how good Keaton was.

Now, who's the best Joker?

Cesar Romero, hands down. (Did you see that coming?)

But for movie Jokers is it Jack or Heath?

Tough call. Very different performances in many ways. Today, I'm leaning towards Ledger.

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Anonymous said...

Simple.

Batman:
1. Bale
2. Keaton
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4. Kilmer
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2. Romero
3. Nicholson

Part of the difficulty with ranking these characters is that they have been reinvented so many times you really are almost comparing apples and oranges.

Looking at it from a comic-book perspective, can you really compare Batman and the Joker from the early days of DC to the Frank Miller era.

Having said all that, no doubt Keaton was the best of the batch from the early movies, but Bale just leaves him in the dust the way he owns the role. In all honesty, I thought his performance in Batman Begins was better, but I think it had more to do with storyline than anything. There wasn't the same need to build the character, so more time time was spent on others. Ledger undoubtedly made the role his own, and in my mind beats Romero only because I am a bigger fan of the Miller-era comics and stories.

Nicholson and Clooney both rank last for the same reason -- no matter what role they play, they're the same character. For Nicholson, that's great. You always know Jack, and you know what you're going to get, and it's awesome. In the case of the Joker, though, I found it distracting. In the case of Clooney, again you always get the same thing: Dr. Doug Ross. Only recently has he demonstrated an ability to play more than one character, and it certainly wasn't on display for his portrayal of Batman.

I am very interested to see where the series goes from here. Bale has thankfully said he'll break his contract if they try and put in the Boy Wonder, but I'm curious which villain(s) they'll turn to next.

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If you think Keaton is the best Batman on film, then how do you feel about bringing him in as a fifty something year old Bruce Wayne as the Dark Knight?

It would suit Frank Miller's version of Batman to the tee.

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Well anon, well argued, but to me Keaton's still the superior Batman to Bale. Bale's great and all, don't get me wrong, but to my own taste it's just Keaton, no argument. I also give a bit of an edge always to the guy who did it first, and I have to think that as unique as it is, Bale's Batman does owe something to Keaton (as Ledger's Joker does to Nicholson, if only in the sense that Nicholson's over the top performance gave Ledger the freedom to take it to the next, undoubtedly higher, level).

On the apples to oranges thing, I CERTAINLY agree on the Jokers. Three uniques takes all extremely well done, imho. To me, the Batmen (Adam West excepted) were all playing the same basic archetype, I think, but with greater or lesser success (i.e. Keaton and Bale greater, Kilmer and Clooney lesser). Adam West almost deserves his own category here. But the JOKERS! Three unique interpretations to my mind, all extremely well done, and fascinating. I really think it's almost unfair to compare. I gave it to Romero because he's the classic, and I just loved his character. By far the best of the West-era villains, and there were some great West-era villains! I LOVED Ledger's performance, so I give him two, but Jack's performance was wonderful also, and totally different again. Huge applause for all the Jokers.

Mushroom,

I guess I just feel like the Keaton era is over now, and bringing Keaton back would smack of nostalgia, or a gimmick, or, I don't know, something that wouldn't seem right. Not that he couldn't pull it off, but I think it would be too much of an uphill battle, and I like Bale, and the role's his now, so I say, Bale until it's time for the next guy.

Thank GOD they pulled this back from the abyss though, eh?

Yay Batman!

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